Attached is an article which has just been
published in The SPECTRUM Newspaper, and which I wrote. It is a second,
updated interview with the controversial author Eric Jon Phelps, who wrote the
newly release book titled VATICAN ASSASSINS: "Wounded In The House Of My
Friends" -- available through Wisdom Books and Press 877-280-2866 ($34.95
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No political event or circumstance can be evaluated without the knowledge of
the Vatican’s part in it. And no significant world situation exists in which
the Vatican does not play an important explicit or implicit role. — Avro
Manhattan, “Protestant” Knight of Malta, English Historian and Agitator,
1960, The Vatican And World Politics.
The Jesuits offer the world at large a system of theology by which every law,
Divine and human, may be broken with impunity, and by which the very Bulls of
Popes may be defied. It is a ghastly religion; it is a religion to be abhorred
by all honest and honorable men. — M. F. Cusack, Converted Nun of Kenmare,
1896, The Black Pope.
The Jesuits laugh at us; and during their hilarity, the rattlesnake is coiled
at our feet, climbing to strike us in the heart. — Edwin A. Sherman,
American Shriner Freemason, Friend of Charles Chiniquy, 1883, The Engineer
Corps Of Hell.
You could call Eric Jon Phelps a controversial author. We know him as a
consummate researcher, a beloved friend, and a gentleman who lives his truth.
Our readers will know him best as my interviewee in our now infamous May 2000
issue of The SPECTRUM—the issue that is known far and wide as the “Black
Eric is also the author of the blockbuster book VATICAN ASSASSINS, an incredibly
well researched historical manuscript which shows the reader, in astonishing
detail, where the TRUE diabolical power and control of this planet resides—at
least that controlling layer which is in the physical dimension.
VATICAN ASSASSINS likewise acquaints the reader with a number of priceless old
documents and historical manuscripts that “certain ones” have done their
very best to remove from almost all of the world’s library shelves. Most of
these documents are so rare that just getting these back into public access and
circulation is a great service to all students of history thirsty for The Truth.
There has been so much interest in what Eric has to say that we decided to
revisit a number of issues and ask him to answer some dangling questions. After
all, the kind of connections which Eric makes are an entire level deeper than
what we are used to hearing in the “conspiracy theory” arena. Moreover, we
have noted, with some degree of surprise and “unveiling” over the past year
or so, just who all have come forward to attack Eric’s work—groundlessly and
hysterically (but never to his face). These ones know who they are and have, by
their unprofessional and irrational actions, convincingly revealed just who they
really work for, while pretending to be presenters of Truth!
While it was my intent to focus the majority of the conversation on the present
day, there were some unresolved issues from the past that likewise required
clarification. On June 18, 2001, I had an opportunity to sit down with Eric
Phelps, face-to-face, and prevail upon him to answer a few key questions.
Let’s see what he has to say.
Martin: Our last interview—the “Black Pope”
issue of The SPECTRUM—went around the world a few times. It’s also been on
the Internet for quite some time. The manuscript of VATICAN ASSASSINS has been
distributed, but still no book. What’s happening with the book? Why is it
taking so long to come out in book form?
Phelps: The reason why it has taken a year to finalize the book is
because there were several historical mistakes that were corrected by some of
the readers of the manuscripts, the first and second manuscripts.
There was a Japanese individual named Toichi [Ryu] who corrected me on some of
the Japanese history regarding the Emperors and the Shogans, for which I thanked
him and made the necessary changes.
There were a few other similar changes that I had to make with regard to dates,
places, and some times; just a polishing-up of the manuscript, so that it’s
We had one individual who was a Jesuit for 10 years. He got out of the Jesuit
Order. He read the manuscript. He greatly approved of it. And he sent us a list
of corrections, which we incorporated into the manuscript. So, there have been
many people who have added their polishing touches to it, for which I am
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Martin: I would like to concentrate this conversation largely on the
present day. But, before we get to the present, I would ask you to, once and for
all, clarify something for our readers who may be still confused about The
Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion.
There have been many sources and many reciting's of The Protocols. They’ve
been called a fraud. They’ve been called a forgery, which means that there was
a document that preceded it that it had to be based on. Everyone seems to point
to the Jews, or the Khazars, as the authors of The Protocols, and yet your
research indicates otherwise.
Who, in your opinion, authored The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion?
Phelps: Cardinal Bea was the confessor of Pope Pius XII (Hitler’s
Pope), a very powerful Jesuit and Cardinal within the Vatican. According to
Alberto Rivera, when speaking with Cardinal Bea, Cardinal Bea said to him that
The Protocols were written by Jews loyal to the Pope.
I do not believe Jews wrote The Protocols. I do not believe Alberto Rivera was
told the whole story, because he did not have a “need to know”. Withholding
information has always been standard procedure for the Jesuits.
I believe men who were loyal to the Pope wrote The Protocols, and the men who
were loyal to the Pope who wrote The Protocols were the Jesuits, according to
Leo Lehmann—the ex-Irish Catholic priest who became converted to Christ and
set-up the mission there in New York City, Converted Catholics For Christ. He
said that the Jesuits wrote The Protocols, and that this is no new attempt of
deception, based on their document that they wrote concerning their attack on
the Jansenists, which was called The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourg-Fontaine.
So, the Jesuits wrote The Protocols like they wrote The Secrets Of The Elders Of
Bourg-Fontaine, and the language of The Protocols is identical to The Secret
Meeting At Cheiri .
However, I have a quotation from a very brilliant and Godly, born-again,
Bible-believing, Irish Roman Catholic priest I referred to a moment ago. He
wrote a book entitled Behind The Dictators, first written in 1942, and there
were two editions after that. I have the 1945 edition. Dr. Leo Lehmann says that
the Jesuits wrote The Protocols. But before I get into that, I would just like
to read to you who Dr. L. H. Lehmann was.
“He was born in Dublin, Ireland, and received his primary education there from
the nuns and Christian brothers. He began his study for the priesthood at
Mungret College, Limerick, and at All Hallows College, Dublin. In 1918, he went
to finish his theological studies at the University of Propaganda Fide in Rome,
where he was ordained a priest in 1921. He later studied at New York University
from which he received the degree of M.A.
“After four years as a priest in Cape Town, South Africa, Dr. Lehmann was
recalled to Rome to continue negotiations at the Vatican courts concerning a
legal case in which he had been engaged, while a student in Rome, on behalf of
many American bishops and priests against the Jesuits. He later returned to
South Africa, but was transferred to the United States in 1927 and appointed
pastor in Gainesville, the university city of Florida. Dr. Lehmann is now
director of Christ’s Mission in New York City and Editor-In-Chief of The
Converted Catholic magazine.”
So, here is a born-again, Bible-believing man who had been an Irish priest, who
had run-ins with the Jesuits, who knew EXACTLY what they were all about. When
you’re involved in litigation within the Vatican, you know the law. And you
know the history of who you are opposing.
Here is what he had to say about the origin of The Protocols. This is found in
his book, Behind The Dictators, on page 15:
“Although first published in Russia in 1903, The Protocols Of [The Learned
Elders Of] Zion had their origin in France and date from the Dreyfus Affair, of
which the Jesuits were the chief instigators. They were planned also first to
take effect in France, by the overthrow of the ‘Judaic-Masonic’ government
of the French Republic. But the discovery of the gigantic fraud of Leo Taxil,
who had been openly supported by the Jesuits, the concluding of the
Franco-Russian alliance, along with the Vatican’s difficulties with the French
government at that time, made it more opportune to have them appear first in
“These Protocols of supposedly Jewish leaders are not the first documents of
their kind fabricated by the Jesuits.
“For over a hundred years before these Protocols appeared, the Jesuits had
continued to make use of a similar fraud called The Secrets Of The Elders Of
Bourg-Fontaine against Jansenism—an anti-Jesuit French Catholic movement among
the secular clergy.”
Phelps: I might also add that the Jansenists were what we would call,
really, Catholic Calvinists. They believed in the sovereignty of God. They
believed in justification by faith. They believed in many Biblical doctrines,
and therefore the Jesuits hated them and later got the Pope to issue a Bull
The Jesuits so hated the Jansenists, of which Blaise Pascal was one, that they
concocted this document, The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourg-Fontaine, against
Martin: What year was this?
Phelps: This was in the 1600s, I believe, in France. It may have been the late
1600s, because Blaise Pascal wrote his Provincial Letters in the later 1600s.
[Editor’s note: Eric brings to our attention a VERY interesting person here,
much like the great Nikola Tesla of a few hundred years later. Blaise Pascal,
1623-62, was a great mathematician, physicist, theologian, and man-of-letters,
born in Clermont-Ferrand, France. In 1647 he invented a calculating machine, and
later the barometer, the hydraulic press, and the syringe. Until 1654 he spent
his time between mathematics (remember Pascal’s triangle and other intriguing
mathematical and geometric discoveries?) and the social round in Paris, but a
mystical experience that year led him to join his sister, who was a member of
the Jansenist convent at Port-Royal, where he defended Jansenism against the
Jesuits in Lettres Provinciales, 1656-7.]
Now, I’ll go back to my reading:
“The analogy between the two forgeries is perfect—the secret assemblage in
the forest of Bourg-Fontaine; the plan of the ‘conspirators’ to destroy the
Papacy and establish religious tolerance among all nations; the alleged plot
against Throne and Altar, and the setting up of a world-government in opposition
to the Catholic Church. There is the same dramatization of the negative pole of
the historic evolution of the world, in order to bring out, by contrast, the
positive Christian [Catholic] pole, around which all conservative forces—the
monarchy, the aristocracy, the army, the clergy—must gather to save the world
from Satan’s onslaught.”
Phelps: Is this not identical to The Protocols? Except in The Protocols,
it’s Communism. Both documents want a world government, under someone other
than the Pope. So, it betrays the Jesuit hand throughout, in The Protocols,
based upon The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourge-Fontaine; and furthermore, after
this document, The Secrets Of the Elders of Bourge-Fontaine, the next major
document that we have is Leone’s The Jesuit Conspiracy—The Secret Plan Of
The Order, which was published in 1848.
In this document, Jesuit Leone was 19 years old and a novitiate in Cheiri,
Italy, where he, when he was snooping around in a back room, became trapped when
Jesuit General Roothaan and his provincials came in another room and he listened
to this conversation between the General and his provincials—in the mid-1830s,
around 1834—and while he was hiding, he was taking notes.
They betray that the Jesuit General was intent upon setting-up a World
Government by controlling the Roman Catholic hierarchy, the Pope, all the
monarchies, and thus all the governments of the world. And that is in Leone’s
great work, The Jesuit Conspiracy, published in 1848.
It was published in several languages. It went all throughout Europe, which
contributed to the people rising-up against the power of the Jesuits in 1848,
with the Second French Revolution. But that revolution was controlled, the
leadership of it was controlled, and the end result was more power for the
Jesuit Order in Europe.
Martin: You mention that The Protocols were an outgrowth of the Dreyfus
Affair [1890s]. And prior to that we have the Council
of Trent [twenty-five sessions of the Council of Trent from 1545-1563]. Can
you put this in perspective?
Phelps: Ok. The Jesuits were busy creating Jewish hatred in Germany and
in France in the late 1800s. There was a man referred to in Ridpath’s
Universal History Of the World—I only found this here—he called his work
“the solution to the Jewish question”. Hitler came along, later, and had the
FINAL solution to the Jewish question. So, they were fomenting anti-Jewish
hatred in Germany, and they were fomenting anti-Jewish hatred in France.
Martin: Who are they?
Phelps: The Jesuits. The Jesuits were fomenting this in both countries
because, at this time, the Jesuits had been expelled from Germany in 1872, and
they had been expelled from France in 1880. So now they’re going to go after
the Jews through their agents in these two countries.
In France, they started the Dreyfus Affair, and that was in the 1890s. The
Dreyfus Affair had several purposes. It was to create
anti-Semitism—anti-Jewish hatred in France.
I hate to use the word anti-Semitism. There are many Semites other than Jews.
And it was also calculated to create war with Germany, because Captain Dreyfus
was accused of treason in handing secrets over to the German government. It was
all a frame.
He was completely framed. He was sent to Devil’s Island for 10 years, and
suffered the horrible tortures of Devil’s Island for that period of time. And
then, later, when he was brought back, he was vindicated and found “not
guilty”, and the Jesuits were blamed for having done this. So this became
universally known in France, which ultimately caused the Jesuits to be expelled,
again, in 1901.
The Dreyfus Affair is a major European conspiracy with the Jesuit hand, against
the Jews, attempting to foment a war between France and Germany. Because,
remember, the French hated the Germans as a result of the trouncing that they
got in the Franco-Prussian War of 1870. And they wanted vengeance for that.
So, we play on the people’s vengeance, create this issue between Germany and
France, we use the Jews to do it so we can get some anti-Jewish fervor going,
which ultimately manifests itself in 1942 with the Vichy government in France,
when they help the Nazis round-up all the Jews in France and send them to
And it’s at that time, in 1942, in the Petain, that the Jesuits were formally
readmitted into France. That’s the significance of the Dreyfus Affair.
Martin: And what is the significance of the Council
of Trent in relation to all of these?
Phelps: The Council of Trent puts heretics—which us Bible-believers
are, all Protestants and all Jews—puts all of us under more than 100 curses
because of what we believe:
We believe in justification by faith.
“Accursed be all who believe in justification by faith.”
We believe that Baptism is simply an outward sign of salvation, and that it is
not necessary for salvation.
“Accursed be all those who believe that.”
We believe that, when we eat of the Lord’s supper, the bread and the wine are
NOT the literal body and blood of Christ, as the Council of Trent teaches,
therefore we are accursed because we do not believe in transubstantiation.
And we also believe that man has a right to his own judgment. He has a right to
read the Bible and make his own decisions as to what it means; that the Bible
should be in the language of the people, because this the foundation of freedom
of conscience, freedom of speech, and freedom of the press.
All of these things in the 4th session of the Council of Trent are condemned,
anybody who believes in: freedom of speech, and freedom of conscience, and
freedom of the press.
So, those maxims of the Council of Trent are brought into The Protocols when The
Protocols condemn freedom of conscience; they condemn freedom of the press; they
condemn national governments and national sovereignty.
You see, Bible-believers, we believe in national sovereignty.
We do not believe in World Government.
We believe America should be governed by Americans.
We believe Japan should be governed by Japanese, etc.
We do not believe, we do not want, a European Union.
We do not want a combination of governments under Centralized Government.
We believe in national sovereignties, which is the reason why the South seceded
and left the United States, because they wanted to set-up their own national
sovereignty; it was a Protestant maxim upon which they acted.
Ok, so Trent effects The Protocols. Trent effects The Secrets Of The Elders Of
Bourge-Fontaine. Trent effects The Secret Plan, written by Leone in 1848. And
hence, now we have the doctrines of Communism effecting Marx and his Communist
Manifesto, because Marx was tutored in the British Museum BY JESUITS.
Martin: Who was behind the Council of Trent, The Secret Plan, etc. Who
were the men behind these, historically?
Phelps: Well, Diego Laynez went on to be the Jesuit General after Loyola;
Laynez was the second Jesuit General. He was the MASTER-MIND of the Council of
Trent. Laynez was a Jesuit by allegiance, and a Jew by race. This is very
important. And it’s the result of Laynez being a Jew, when this was brought to
light in 1593, that the Order passed a statute that NO JEW COULD EVER BE IN THE
JESUIT ORDER AGAIN. This is VERY important. This is why Weishaupt was not a Jew.
It was against the constitutions of the Order for a Jew to be in the Order.
Martin: And what relation does Weishaupt have to all of this?
Phelps: Weishaupt was the promoter of the Illuminati, with the House of Rothschild,
for the punishment of the Catholic monarchs of Europe, and the Pope, for
suppressing the Jesuit Order.
So, Weishaupt did not act alone. Weishaupt was under the supervision, at least
initially, of Jesuit General Ricci, who died in 1775 in Italy. Weishaupt was
Martin: Who is Jesuit General Roothaan?
Phelps: Jesuit General Roothaan was the General of the Society from the
1830s to the mid-1850s. Jesuit General Roothaan was the one who oversaw The
Secret Plan At Chieri, of which Leone overheard and then wrote about.
Martin: So this is KEY to what we are talking about?
Phelps: Extremely key.
Martin: And who is Peter Beckx?
Phelps: Peter Beckx was the Jesuit General in the late 1800s and early
1900s. He was the one who gave the order and oversaw the sinking of the Titanic.
Martin: Let’s talk about that now. Why have you drawn the historical
conclusion that the Jesuits sank the Titanic?
Phelps: Because they benefited. And they were present, on site, on the
ship, prior to it’s sinking. When we have a powerful organization that is
working together, such as the Jesuit Order, and the power that they had prior to
their suppression, and that they had never changed, and they are still working
toward a World Government under the Pope, we look for the Jesuit Order in these
national crises that arise—and in this issue, the Titanic.
We must ask the question: Even though we can’t place where they are at the
moment, did the Jesuit Order benefit from this? And the answer is: Yes, they
They benefited because it paved the way for the establishment of the Federal
Reserve Bank, which they own and control, by proxy, through the Knights of
Malta, with their various trusts and so on. They never own anything outright;
they always own it through a trusted third party.
How do we know that the Jesuits control the Federal Reserve Bank? Because the
Federal Reserve Bank was used to finance the second “Thirty Years
War”—from 1914 to 1945—in which everything that transpired fell out for
the benefit of the Vatican, everything.
Then, of course, when we discover that the most powerful man in Ireland, the
Jesuit Provincial Francis M. Browne, was on the Titanic taking pictures of all
those who would be going down. And then, right before it departs Queenstown,
Ireland, to set out for the North Sea, “the lucky priest departed off the
ship” in the words of Martin Sheen, who narrated Secrets Of The Titanic.
It was more than luck; it was planned that way. Martin Sheen has been to the
Jesuit Novitiate at St. Jacques, in Warnersville, Pennsylvania. Martin Sheen is
a bosom buddy of the Jesuits.
The men who went down were wealthy Jews who were resisting the establishment of
a centralized bank in America, particularly John
Jacob Astor, who was a personal friend of Supreme Court Justice Louis
Brandeis. And Brandeis greatly resisted the establishment of the central bank.
Martin: Astor, Guggenheim, and Straus were three Jewish men who went down
with the Titanic. Why do you focus so much of your attention on Astor?
Phelps: Astor was the wealthiest Jew in the world, some say the
wealthiest man in the world. But he was, most definitely, the wealthiest Jew. He
did not have more money than the Pope. But he was the wealthiest man in the
world and he was using his wealth NOT in accord with the Jesuit Order.
Now, later, his son, John Jacob Astor IV, became part of the money trust, which
can be found on the Internet; and so the Jesuits had access, now, to the Astor
fortune. They control it now. But, at that time, they got rid of Astor because
they wanted his fortune, and they wanted to end his resistance to the
establishment of a national bank. And they do this pursuant to The Secret
Instructions, that they will take the fortunes of widows and other people who
And that is what they did in Eugene Sue’s The Wandering Jew. That story
revolves around a French Protestant family, the Renneponts, and the Jesuits
killing-off every member of the Rennepont family, so that they can have the
fortune when it would be opened up at a certain day, at a certain time in Paris.
And the man who held the fortune in trust was a Jew. So, that’s why they got
rid of Astor.
Martin: What was that quote from the movie JFK about the Titanic?
Phelps: I believe Oliver Stone was overseen by the Jesuits, who control
Hollywood. And, therefore, a lot of the lines were authored by Jesuits.
One of the lines authored by the Jesuits was when Garrison was sitting at the
table and he said: “People, we’ve got to start thinking differently. We’ve
got to start thinking like the CIA. White is black, and black is white.”
That is DIRECTLY from Ignatius Loyola’s Spiritual Exercises. [Ignatius Loyola
was the founder of the Jesuit Order in 1540.] When he tells the people that they
believe the hierarchical Catholic Church and believe white is black and black is
white, if the hierarchy says so. That’s right out of the Spiritual Exercises.
Well then, when one of the associates, Bill, of Garrison’s staff, is
approached by an FBI agent, and the FBI agent is trying to win him over to their
side, that FBI agent says: “There’s going to be millions of people who are
going to die. Besides, you’ve got to get away from Garrison. He’s going down
with the Titanic.”
That is a clue, right there, that the same men who were behind the Kennedy
assassination, attempting to frustrate Garrison’s investigation, were the same
men who sunk the Titanic.
Martin: I’m looking at the front-page headline from a little-known
rag-sheet, and the current headline that I’m reading says: “Khazarian
Zionists Are The Anti-Christ.” Now, what can you explain to our readers about
who might be behind such a headline, and what is the AGENDA of such a headline?
[Editor’s note: Some of you readers who may be familiar with the publication
should know that Rick is referring to the June 13, 2001 issue of the CONTACT
Phelps: We know that the Jesuits, in their agendas, hate the Jews.
And you add: “Eric, you say that the Jesuits set up Zionist Israel.”
The Jesuits control the Masonic Jewish Zionists who control Zionist Israel. They
HATE the Jewish race. And when I speak of Jews, I’m not speaking of Judaism.
I’m not speaking of their evil religion, that openly and notoriously rejects
Jesus as the Messiah; even Josephus realized Jesus was the Messiah.
I’m talking about the RACE. And when I’m speaking of the Jewish race, I’m
speaking of the descendants of Jacob, through his 12 sons, and their physical
descendants. That’s what I mean when I speak of the Jews.
Many, many Orthodoxes today believe there is no such thing as the Jewish race.
They are in error about that, because in Romans IX, X, & XI, it speaks
specifically about the Jewish race, that Christ was a Jew; that Christ spoke in
John, Chapter IV, we know whom we worship for salvation is of the Jews.
So, he identified himself as a Jew. The Apostle Paul identified himself as a
Hebrew of Hebrews, an Israelite, etc. So the terms Jew, Israelite, and Hebrew
are all synonymous terms; they are the physical, racial descendants of Jacob.
And, therefore, the Abraham covenant and promises apply to them, and they have
not been fulfilled to this day. They are in the great diaspora—they are in the
And so, Satan, not wanting them to inherit these promises, has set-out to
destroy the Jewish race any way he possibly can. And his greatest tool in the
destruction of the Jewish race is the Jesuit Order.
Martin: Are you saying that this headline that I just read to you has an
agenda behind it?
Martin: And what is that agenda?
Phelps: The agenda is to create world-wide anti-Jewish fury, in every
nation of the world, so as to drive all the Jews back to Israel for their final
annihilation when the Jesuits bring in the armies of the Earth and when the anti-Christ,
the risen Pope, brings in the armies of the Earth in his last, mad attempt to
destroy all of the Jews, so that they cannot inherent the promises given to
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Martin: If there is an intelligence community behind this publication,
it’s easy enough to draw the conclusion, from what you’re saying, that the
Jesuits, who control the intelligence community, would be specifically behind
this agenda to foment hate and agitation against the Jewish race.
Phelps: Absolutely. Especially the American Jews, because there are more
American Jews, here in this country, than there are in Israel. And one of their
agendas in the next 10-20 years is to create anti-Jewish fury, and to drive the
American Jews back to Israel, killing millions of them, as well, here, because
they’re planning to bring their Roman Catholic Fascist dictator to
power—just like they did with Hitler in Germany; just like they did with
Stalin in Russia; just like they did with Franco in Spain; just like they did
with Mussolini in Italy. They have the same exact agenda here. They’re going
to do it through the Republican, “New Right” party, of which George Bush is
now the head.
Martin: At one point, you made a comment privately concerning the
Right-Wing militia movement possibly being influenced with another agenda. Can
you talk about that?
I’ll just say up-front that this is going to strike at the heart of many
people’s belief system. And some may have difficulty with what you say.
Phelps: The Right-Wing militia groups—the posse comitatus, etc., Ku
Klux Klan, the Minutemen, they all have one thing in common: they all hate the
Jews. That puts up a flag for me. And if they all hate the Jews, that tells me
that they have been imbibed, or indoctrinated, with hatred for the Jews. They
all hate the Jews; and as an aside, so do the Black Moslems [Muslims]. Louis
Farrakhan openly hands-out The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion and
blames all our problems, and all the Black man’s problems, on the Jews.
So, the Right-Wing posse comitatus groups are all controlled by the Jesuits
because they are all anti-Jew, and they have NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THE JESUIT
Martin: Wouldn’t you say that most of the groups just don’t have a
clue about the Jesuit Order?
Phelps: Not their leadership. A lot of these groups have Catholics in
them. There’s not a Catholic around who doesn’t know the power of the Jesuit
Order, in their educational power, and the power of government.
We have Drinin in Congress; we have McLaughlin who was writing speeches for
Nixon for $35,000 a year. We have Jesuits all throughout the government.
There’s not any intelligent Roman Catholic who’s involved in these
Right-Wing Movements who doesn’t know the power of the Jesuits.
THEY DON’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THEM. JUST LIKE THE PRESS WON’T TALK ABOUT
So, this Timothy McVeigh thing—is that what we’re leading to?
Martin: Well, no, but go ahead.
Phelps: This Timothy McVeigh thing—here’s another Irish Roman Catholic
sacrificed, just like Kennedy, for the sake of attempting to create a national
backlash or agitation against the Right-Wing Movement people, because a lot of
the Right-Wing Movement people are true patriots who want their liberty; they
want to maintain their guns; they want freedom to educate their children as they
wish; they’re decent people, but they are not aware that the leadership is
controlled by the Vatican.
So, the Jesuits in control of Clinton fomented the Oklahoma City bombing to
justify going after these Right-Wing, conservative, many of them
Bible-believing, people in this movement, for their round-up and extermination.
But it didn’t quite work.
So, they imploded the building. They got rid of Timothy McVeigh. That whole
execution could have been stayed with one phone call from the Archbishop of New
York to the Bishop of Oklahoma City, and he wouldn’t do it.
That was the purpose of the Oklahoma City bombing, the creation of
anti-Right-Wing feeling. And the people at the top, controlling the Right-Wing
organizations, will betray their own people, just exactly as the White Russians
were betrayed during the Communist Revolution from 1917-1922.
Their own leadership will betray them—just as Hitler betrayed his armies to
the East, cut-off supplies, would not allow them to take Moscow, froze them in
the snows of Russia; just as Napoleon betrayed his armies in the East, abandoned
250,000 men; that’s exactly what’s going to be done to our Right-Wing
patriotic people who are the only bulwark against tyranny in this country today.
Martin: We’re almost to the present day. But, before we get to the present
day, let’s stop for a minute, once again, and talk about JFK’s
assassination. I’m going to mention a few names, and then let’s talk about
the Jesuit influence behind that assassination and the reasons why.
John McCone, head of the CIA; Cardinal Spellman, Archbishop of New York; Henry
Luce; Carthe DeLouche; and E. Howard Hunt. Why are these names important? What
are their relationships? And WHY would you point the finger at someone like the
Archbishop of New York, Cardinal Spellman, of all people, to place the
responsibility for the JFK assassination directly at the Vatican? How can you
Phelps: We know we’re looking at a conspiracy, so we ask the question, again:
Who benefits? Who benefited from the death of JFK? Well, we know, according to
the works of the great Fletcher Prouty, JFK was going to end the Vietnam War in
1965. We also know that JFK was going to end the reign of the CIA, and all of
their military, covert operations were going to be handed-over to the Army
Chiefs of Staff. Therefore, the CIA benefited, and those who wanted the Vietnam
We now must ask the question: Who wanted the Vietnam War? Well, we know that
many factions did, but we see, openly and in our face, Cardinal Spellman wanted
the Vietnam War. Cardinal Spellman’s man in Vietnam was Diem. Diem was a
fascist Roman Catholic, persecuting the Buddhists. And his brother was head of
the Secret Police. So, Diem was Cardinal Spellman’s man in Vietnam. Diem was
assassinated because Kennedy withdrew the CIA representative out of Saigon.
The other thing is, Cardinal Spellman, throughout the Vietnam War, would travel
over there at the war-front and he’d call the soldiers the “soldiers of
Christ”, according to Avro Manhattan, in his great work Vietnam: Why Did We
Go? So, Cardinal Spellman wanted the Vietnam War, and if Cardinal Spellman
wanted the Vietnam War, the Pope wanted the Vietnam War, and if the Pope wanted
the Vietnam War, the Black Pope wanted the Vietnam War, the Jesuit General.
Martin: Who was?
Phelps: Jean Baptiste Janssens. He died in 1964. From 1964 to 1983 or so, it was
Martin: So you’re saying that Janssens had an agenda.
Phelps: Jean Baptist Janssens had an agenda, and that agenda was to annihilate
as many Buddhists as possible, because the Buddhists have always been the
enemies of the Jesuits. When the Jesuits took Japan in 1873, what did they do?
They outlawed, they made it so that the government of Japan would not support
the Buddhist religion anymore. Buddhism has ceased to be the state religion. So
they’ve always been the enemy of the Buddhists.
The other thing about the Vietnam War is that it created a $220 billion dollar
debt for the American people, and that debt was incurred by the Congress, who
borrowed that money from the Jesuits’ Federal Reserve Bank.
So the Jesuits made big money. They killed lots of “heretics”. They
preserved the CIA.
Because, remember: the CIA was initially founded and set-up by one particular
man, Reinhard Gehlen, who was a Nazi General, who was Hitler’s most sinister
General. And so, he incorporated all of the Nazi intelligence apparatus into the
CIA in the West. It was also incorporated into the KGB in the East. They were
called “Freedom Fighters”; they were really working for the KGB, these SS,
Nazi men. If the Jesuit General controlled the KGB, he controls the CIA.
Kennedy was getting in the way. Kennedy also did not want the voucher system for
public schools, of which George Bush is a great promoter. The Vatican wants the
American taxpayer to pay for Catholic schools because, remember, Roman
Catholicism, left to itself, without government support, crumbles. It has
nothing to offer. There is no freedom of speech, no freedom of press.
THE CATHOLIC PEOPLE DON’T OWN ONE SQUARE FOOT OF CHURCH PROPERTY. THEY DON’T
OWN ONE BRICK OF THEIR CHURCHES. IT’S ALL OWNED BY THE HIERARCHY.
They are simply to obey their hierarchy, and in America that’s not good
enough. Catholic people don’t want that in America. Catholic people, for the
most part, enjoy freedom of press, and freedom of speech, and freedom to make a
profit; all of those things the Vatican does not want. A case in point is all of
South America and Central America.
Martin: Well, why do you think—other than the fact that there have been
100-200 people killed who knew anything about the JFK assassination—why do you
think it’s never come out?
Phelps: Because the American branch of the Knights of Malta, of which McCone was
a member, Henry Luce was a member, William F. Buckley was a member, Lee Iacocca
was a member, Cartha DeLoach of the FBI was a member, etc. They control the
press! And they controlled CBS, at that time, with a man named Frank
Shakespeare, who was a Knight of Malta. The Knights control ABC, CBS, and NBC,
and Time/Life; that’s why Time/Life attempted to destroy the Zapruder film.
I might also add, throughout the publication of “The Black Pope” interview
we did back in May 2000, and my first two manuscripts since that time, there has
not been one Roman Catholic who has emailed me, or attempted to contact me in
any way, denying that Cardinal Spellman did this; not one. But we have several
clandestine Jesuits who are in complete agreement, and who admit that this is
exactly what was done.
Martin: Let me ask you about Opus Dei. We’ve been accused of hiding Opus Dei
in the background as being the real power behind the Vatican, and therefore, the
power over the Jesuits. Have we conspired to withhold the mention of Opus Dei in
Phelps: No. Opus Dei is a subordinate organization to the Pope, who is in
control of the Knights of Malta, and therefore there are Knights of Malta in
The Jesuits control Opus Dei through the hierarchy of the Pope and through the
Knights of Malta. Opus Dei is composed of prominent Roman Catholic businessmen
and politicians who have given themselves over to “God’s work”—that’s
what Opus Dei means—for making the Pope the Universal Monarch of the world,
ruling the world from Solomon’s rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.
An example of this is the former head of the FBI, Louis Freeh, was a member of
And so, we now understand the Waco incident, where those White Protestants were
killed; it was the work of the Opus Dei. And we also have to remember that the
sharpshooter, one of them there, was a Japanese Roman Catholic, Lon Horiuchi.
But Opus Dei is determined to create a World Government under the Pope. Opus Dei
was created in the 20th Century, whereas the Knights of Malta were created in
the 11th Century, and the Jesuits were created in the 16th Century, in 1540,
with Ignatius Loyola.
So, the super-secret society of the Jesuit Order, in control of the Knights of
Malta, were in existence nearly 500 years before Opus Dei. Opus Dei, like the
Knights of Columbus, is a subordinate organization to the Jesuit Order.
Martin: Ok, now that we have some of these things put temporarily to
rest—until the book comes out!—let’s talk about the present day.
There are a few things happening that everyone needs to be aware of and
concerned about. I’ll just mention a few countries, and then we can begin:
Israel, Cuba, China, North Africa, and Japan. What’s happening with our
relationship with these countries? How are we going to be sucked-in to a
conflict? And what are the ramifications going to be? Lines in the sand are
being drawn, alliances are being created between powerful nations, and why
should we be concerned about that?
That’s a big question.
Phelps: That’s a big question. I’ll try to deal with a piece at a time, if I
I’m going to start with the 14th Amendment American Empire that was
established in 1868 after the Jesuit Order destroyed the Federal Republic or the
Confederate Republic of sovereign nation states that Washington established in
The Jesuits have used the 14th Amendment American Empire to restore the temporal
power of the Pope over all nations around the world for the last 100 years. And
that’s why they have garrisoned American troops throughout the world. That’s
why they have laid upon us an iniquitous and sinful federal income tax, with
which they finance these crusades around the world.
So, their American Empire has served them well in the restoration of the
temporal power of the Pope around the world, especially over Orthodox Russia,
Buddhist China, Buddhist Japan, South and Central America through the CIA; this
is the purpose for the British and America Empires. They used the British Empire
in the 19th Century to do this, and they used the American Empire in the 20th
Century to do this. So they take the most powerful Protestant empires, and the
wealthiest, harness their governments, and use such for their own purposes.
Alright, now that America has been used for its purpose, it is time to destroy
it. And we must remember that America is the haven for the Jews of the world,
which the Jesuits have accursed; it is the haven for Bible-believing
Protestants, called “heretics”, who the Jesuits have accursed; and it is the
haven for peoples of many, many different races who simply want to have some
liberty in life, which are called “liberals”, which the Jesuits have
The United States is a refugee nation, made up of many, many nationalities now.
We are no longer a White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant nation, as we were. We are
composed of a host of different nationalities, with a host of religious beliefs,
and thus this nation has been fragmented and agitated and is a disconcerted
mess, with no real national purpose anymore.
The Jesuits have fired-up the Negro agitation of the Civil Rights Movement. They
continue to fire that up with Hollywood, with such movies as Roots, etc.
They don’t tell the whole story of Malcolm X. He was an agitator to begin
with. When he came back from Mecca, he changed his story and denounced the
Nation of Islam, along with the Ku Klux Klan, stating that “they both had the
same paymasters”. And he was absolutely right. They have agitated and broken
apart this country, so we have no more national purpose.
The next thing that they’ve done, they’ve disarmed us. They’ve closed-down
over 100 military bases. We have no domestic defense. The foreigners, the
Mexicans come across the borders by the thousands, and the major corporations
hire them, and they do their work for them, which is all illegal. It should be
punished by law. But we have no punishment by law in this country anymore.
So we have the reign of crime. We have all of these illegal immigrants. We have
the destruction of the White race. When this nation ceases to be White, it will
cease to be great, because there is not a nation in the world that’s a nation
of color that can compete on the international scale of business and trade and
commerce; they can’t do it.
A nation that was once White, but is now a nation of color, is Cuba. Cuba used
to be a prosperous, beautiful place, but now, with all the amalgamation and
inter-racial marriage, it’s 95% Black; it’s under a Roman Catholic,
Jesuit-trained Dictator named Fidel Castro; and it is a miserable place to live.
And that is EXACTLY what this country is going to be like if it continues on the
track it is now on.
The Jesuits have determined to destroy this American Empire that they have used
for the last 100 years. So what they are doing now is, they are going to break
apart the Empire.
And how are they doing this? Well, one of the things they’ve done is they’ve
created this issue where an American submarine hit this Japanese fishing boat,
killing all the Japanese on the boat, I believe, and the skipper was
court-martialed. But nonetheless, it was a deliberate act of murder, because
with that kind of technology on a submarine, you just don’t hit a boat. And
you just don’t have some civilian driving the submarine either. That’s
ridiculous. So they are creating agitations with nations like Japan, with this
They’re creating deliberate agitation with nations like China, with the
bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade. They’re creating agitations with
China, Japan, which will ultimately result in Japan and China uniting. With the
military power of China, with the economic power of Japan—when already Hong
Kong has been given to China, which now, because of that financial might, China
is able to take control of the Panama Canal; they control the canal locks
through Hutchen Wimpoa, a Chinese corporation. They are now building the largest
shipping dock in the world in the Bahamas, owned by the Red Chinese. The Red
Chinese now have the Long Beach Naval Station, which is now Cosco.
So they are in a position now to be able to establish a beach-head when they
The thing is: Does China have the fleet to do it? No, China doesn’t have the
fleet right now to do it, but Russia does. Russia has the largest merchant
marine fleet in the world. And we are very much deceived into thinking that
China and Russia are enemies. They are not enemies; they work together. They are
controlled by the same Jesuit Order. The Jesuits run Peking; they also run
Moscow. They run the dictator of China and they run the dictator of Russia. It
doesn’t matter who he is. It doesn’t matter what their names are. The
Jesuits control them, and if they resist them, they’re out! Just like in the
So, they’re breaking apart the American Empire. They’re creating a huge
coalition of Oriental nations for our invasion.
Now, let’s talk about Africa. There are 700,000, as I understand it, Chinese
troops in Somalia. Chuck Colson, one of the conspirators in the Kennedy
assassination and the Watergate cover-up, is now the false Bible-believer, the
false Protestant. He’s working for the Jesuits because the head of his prison
fellowship is a Roman Catholic.
Colson now is being used to try to get an American military force into the Sudan
to save these Black Christians, who in fact are Black Roman Catholics. If that
is accomplished, if that is done, we are now going to have a large military
force in the Sudan, and there’s a large military force in Somalia. What do you
think it would take for those two military forces to clash?
And if those military forces clash, we will have an escalation in Africa, which
I believe is what the Jesuits want. Because, if that happens, there can be a
surgical strike into Jerusalem for the blowing-up of the Dome of the Rock. The
Moslems, the Muftis, have known that was the intent of the Zionists for years,
the blowing of the Dome of the Rock, so that Solomon’s Temple can be rebuilt.
And you can find this information in Pierre van Paassen’s great work, written
in 1939, called Days Of Our Years. So, with this coalition with the 14th
Amendment American forces against the Chinese forces in Africa, this could
Now, what would happen as a result of the destruction of the Dome of the Rock?
Well, the Moslems regard the Dome of the Rock as the third most important holy
place in their religion. They would call for a Jihad against “The Great
Satan”, the United States. And with a Jihad, a Holy War, against the United
States, they would then go across Africa to West Africa. There will probably be
a coalition of ships ready at that time, to be ferried across the Atlantic Ocean
into Cuba. And Cuba will be the landing base, the staging base for the invasion
of the Protestant American South, the last real Protestant bastion of liberty in
Remember: according to the Koran, it is no murder to kill a Christian; in fact,
it is a virtuous act.
So, here we’d have all of these Moslem troopers, millions of Moslem troopers
will be landing in Miami, landing in New Orleans, landing in the South of the
United States, coupled with a Cuban military force, coupled with, probably, also
a Chinese military force coming from the West Coast, and coming up through the
Panama Canal to unite with them in the attack of the American South. With the
blood bath that will ensue, this whole coalition of nations: China, Russia,
Cuba, the Arabs, they will carry out the destruction and annihilation of this
North American population, WHICH INCLUDES CANADA; it definitely includes Canada.
It is for this reason, because the government is controlled by the Jesuits, the
government of the United States is seeking our total disarmament and the
abolition of all gun ownership. This is why the Jesuit Conference, for years,
has been anti-gun-ownership, meaning handguns, rifles, and shotguns.
So, to have the American people completely disarmed, our military cut way down,
we have no Navy any more, really, to speak of; we have no Army—it’s a
totally demoralized Army, with this forced integration; and we have Black
supremacy in the Army.
I was there, in Germany, for 3 years. I watched it with my own eyes. So, we have
a demoralized American Army that doesn’t know what to fight.
Martin: Let me just jump-in here to say that Bush is beefing-up the military,
reversing what was done previously by Clinton. How can you say we have a weak
Army when we’re about to spend billions beefing up our defenses? Is this just
Phelps: That’s just a show. Because the Jesuits who controlled Clinton are the
same Jesuits who control Bush. And remember, we were already scaling-down with
Carter and Reagan and Ford.
And so, this whole idea of re-armament, it might be for some super-system of
preventing missiles from coming in, an anti-ballistic missile system, but
that’s ridiculous, because we know there is no such thing as universal nuclear
war. We have no evidence that incoming nukes can detonate a specific target.
We don’t know EXACTLY what transpired at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but they have
contorted that into the hoax of thermo-nuclear war, which I do not believe can
happen. Bruce Cathie doesn’t believe it can happen; William Cooper doesn’t
believe it can happen; and other physicists don’t believe it can happen. Other
physicists don’t believe it’s possible, which now limits us to a standing
army of men who know how to fight, which we do not have. We don’t have it
So, with all of these hordes of invaders coming in, and a disarmed population,
it would be a piece of cake. Remember that Spain was invaded by 4 million Moslem
troopers. They landed in the Canary Islands, and from the Canary Islands they
then invaded Spain, and they were led by a Roman Catholic Archbishop who was
backing Franco! This is in the 1930s.
If they did it in the ’30s, won’t they do it now? And if they used Moslems
to kill Orthodox Serbians just recently, in the 1990s, wouldn’t they use
Moslems to kill Protestant Americans? If they used Moslems to kill Roman
Catholic Spanish, wouldn’t they do the same thing here? Sure they would. So
that’s what is happening in the United States.
Martin: What just happened in Europe with Bush going over there and
theoretically being given a hard time by the European community? What do you see
happening in Europe right now?
Phelps: Well, not believing the press is our first maxim of reading.
Remember, a unified Europe is a Vatican brainchild. That all originated with the
Jesuits in the Vatican for the reuniting of the Holy Roman Empire, which our
friend Leo Lehmann said is exactly what the Jesuits wanted in 1942—a reunited
Holy Roman Empire with a Catholic Germany at it’s core.
Martin: And you base all of your conclusions just on this one person?
Phelps: No, no, no, no—this is a certain topic, and he adds to the color
Martin: I know that, but I asked the question that way because not all of our
readers will be aware of the extent of the bibliography supporting the
contentions of your research in VATICAN ASSASSINS.
Phelps: Ok. The Jesuits want a unified Europe. The Bible-believers of England
are greatly resisting it, but the Jesuit-controlled Tony Blair will, ultimately,
bring England into that Union. And Bush is helping to co-ordinate that, because
the Federal Reserve Bank, the largest bank in the world, is one of the greatest
contributors, or players, in international trading.
Martin: Are you saying that Alan Greenspan is a pawn of the Jesuit Order?
Phelps: Absolutely. Alan Greenspan is a Masonic Jewish Zionist and a pawn of the
Jesuit Order. And the Jesuits are very careful to have visible Jews at the head
of the Federal Reserve System so they can blame all the evils of the Federal
Reserve Bank on the Jews.
We’re never told, for example, that the head, right now, of the most powerful
Federal Reserve Bank—because there are 12 of them—in New York is a man named
McDonough. He’s an Irish Roman Catholic. He’s a member of the Council on
Foreign Relations. He’s a friend, a bosom-buddy of O’Hare, who is the
President and Jesuit of the 4th Vow of Fordham University.
Why are we not told that about the Federal Reserve Bank? It’s always Jews,
Jews, Jews. Jews are just pawns. They’ve always been the bankers for the Pope.
The Masonic Jewish bankers are the bankers for the Pope. And before the
Rothschild's, it was the Fuggers.
Martin: Who are the College of Cardinals who choose the Pope?
Phelps: The College of Cardinals is REALLY the Roman Senate. The Pope is really
the Caesar. And so this military Caesar is elected by Roman Senators, as to who
will be their leader for World Government under the 7th Roman Caesar, who’s
yet to come. And so, the ones who do the electing are the Cardinals.
Martin: Now, those who see the current Pope see a very frail man. Has he served
well? Is that why he’s been allowed to stay on so long?
Phelps: He’s done very well. He’s served the Jesuit Order perfectly. This
supposed rift between him and Arrupe, and suppressing the Jesuits with their
Liberation Theology in Central America, is all for public consumption. That Pope
is completely emasculated with regard to the power of the Jesuit Order.
The Jesuit Order has proven its power with the Napoleonic Wars, the killing of
Pope Pius VI, the imprisoning of Pius VII, the restoration by Pius VII.
THE JESUIT ORDER IS OMNIPOTENT WHEN IT COMES TO THE PAPACY, AND THEY ARE THE
ONES IN POWER.
Just like Hitler fashioned his Third Reich around the Papacy, the Secret Police
or the SS were modeled after the Jesuits, and the Jesuits are the Secret Police
of the Vatican Empire. They keep things in order. Without the Jesuit Order, the
Vatican and the Papacy and the hierarchy would fall apart.
Martin: Who issued the Papal Bull suppressing the Jesuit Order?
Phelps: Pope Clement XIV.
Martin: Let’s talk about that.
Phelps: Pope Clement XIV was a Franciscan. His name was Ganganelli. He was
elected Pope due to the influence of the Bourbon monarchs—the Bourbon King of
Spain, the Bourbon King of France, and the Braganzas of Portugal. Those insisted
that a Pope would be brought to power who would suppress the Jesuit Order,
because the Jesuits were busy making billions in South America, and never gave a
dime to the Portuguese King and the Spanish King.
Martin: How were they making money in South America?
Phelps: They were making money in South America with their Reductions.
Martin: What are Reductions?
Phelps: Reductions are like communes; they’re like a Kibbutz in Israel or a
commune in Russia.
Martin: And what years are we talking about.
Phelps: We’re talking between 1600-1750, roughly 150 years of these
Reductions, where these Garani Indians were putting hides and tallow and clocks
and the Paraguay herb and many, many commodities into international shipping and
trade—which the Jesuits shipped all around the world with their “Black
Ships”, and had HUGE commercial profits with which they started banks in
Europe and then funded wars. And one of the projects that they funded were the
Martin: This Pope, Ganganelli, suppressed the Jesuits with a Papal Bull?
Phelps: That’s right. Dominus Ac Redemptor. That was the Bull. That is its
Martin: What is a Bull?
Phelps: A Bull is a legal document that the Pope speaks within his most powerful
method of speaking. It’s sealed with “the seal of the fishman”. A
“brief” does not have that seal. A brief is a less powerful document; it can
be overruled with a Bull.
Martin: So, this Pope, in 1773, issued the Bull eliminating the Jesuit Order
Phelps: Forever! After a 4-year investigation of all their intrigues, of all
their power, of all their wealth, of all their buildings, everything, after a
4-year investigation they were abolished by Clement XIV. And, remember, Clement
XIII was about to do the same thing when, the night before, he was poisoned.
So, Clement XIV was brought to power then and, after a 4-year investigation, he
suppresses them. And when he did so, he said: “This suppression will be my
Martin: And it was.
Phelps: And it was—14 months later, he died. He was poisoned by the Jesuits
with a poison called Aquetta.
It’s a slow poison that caused his intestines to have terrible, terrible pain.
And when he was embalmed, the intestines exploded and they could not have an
open-casket for viewing this Pope. The flesh fell off of his fingers; his
fingernails turned black; his skin turned black; all his hair fell out; so they
decided they could not have an open display of the Pope in his garb. So they had
a closed casket.
Martin: So, this Papal Bull, which was a PERMANENT dismantling of the Jesuit
Order, was later overruled?
Martin: Now, how can a permanent disbanding of the Order be overruled at all?
Phelps: The Jesuits came out and said this was not a Bull. Even though,
according to Thompson in his Footprints Of The Jesuits, and according the
Cusack’s The Black Pope, even though they said it was a Bull, and Thompson
said it was in the Library of the Bulls in Rome, even though it’s a Bull, the
Jesuits came out and said it was a brief. And, therefore, Pope Pius VII, upon
their restoration, he instituted a Bull restoring the Jesuits, which
“overruled the brief”. That’s what they teach.
BUT THE FACT IS, THEIR SUPPRESSION WAS A BULL, AND THEIR [contrived] RESTORATION
WAS A BULL.
Martin: Ok, we’re jumping all over the place here, but we’re just going to
go with the flow. How did the Jesuits, in England, issue their instructions to
the Queen? Where is their seat of power in England, specifically?
Phelps: I believe their seat of power in England is Stonyhurst University. An
English Lord, Thomas Well, gives Stoneyhurst to the Jesuits in, I believe,
1795—about the time of the French Revolution and just before the Napoleonic
Stonyhurst became their seat, their fortress from which they would control
England. And they were brought into England and helped at that by King George
III. King George was the bosom-buddy of the Jesuits. And the English monarchs
have been their bosom-buddy ever since. King George reigned for quite a few
years; I believe he reigned for nearly 40 years. And Victoria enjoyed the very
same thing; she ruled from 1837-1901.
So, through the rule of George and Victoria, they completely controlled England
through Stonyhurst. Today they run England through the Royal Institute for
International Affairs. And the Cardinal, who they rule through, is the
Archbishop of Westminster.
So, they have the Archbishop of Westminster in England, and they have the
Archbishop of New York in the United States. They rule England through
Stonyhurst. They rule the United States through Georgetown and Fordham. They
rule England through the Royal Institute for International Affairs. They rule
the United States through the Council on Foreign Relations.
It’s an identical system in both countries because it is an Empire. It is a
Vatican Empire. That’s how they rule.
In Russia, they rule Moscow through the Patriarch of the Armenian Church. So,
the Patriarch is like the Archbishop in London and New York. And it’s the
Patriarch, there in Moscow, who oversees the KGB and the inquisition there,
called the gulag. Agagianian was the Patriarch who was appointed a Cardinal by
Pope Pius XII, the very same year, 1946, that Cardinal Spellman was made
Cardinal for the American Empire.
Martin: How does the Mafia figure into all of this?
Phelps: The Mafia is run by Italian Roman Catholics, Sicilians primarily. And
the Mafia takes care of all organized crime. They took care of the booze, before
it was legalized. They took care of prostitution, the drug running, gun running,
all the crime is organized by the Vatican, through the Mafia families—the five
Mafia families of New York.
It’s interesting that the Mafia Commission out of New York is in the same
location, and not far from, the Archbishop of New York. So the Archbishop is
very close to his mob bosses.
Spellman used his mob bosses in the invasion of Sicily, using Lucky Luciano,
called Operation Underworld. Here’s Spellman working with Lucky Luciano for a
“successful Naval invasion” of Sicily, for which reason he is influential
and causes the release of Lucky Luciano in 1946 to go back to Italy. So we have
the relationship of Cardinal Spellman and the mob. And if Cardinal Spellman had
that power, every Cardinal afterward has the same power. They don’t lose any
Now, one of the most obvious connections between the Archbishop of New York and
the mob is Frank Sinatra. Frank Sinatra was a good bosom friend with Gambino.
Gambino was murdered with a vaccination, with a flu shot. They wanted him out of
the way, so they murdered him with a flu shot. Frank Sinatra was also a Knight
of Malta, who is subject, then, to the Archbishop of New York. So, you have the
Archbishop controlling the Knights of Malta. Frank Sinatra is one of them, and
Frank Sinatra is a good friend of a mafia don.
Martin: Let’s talk about Princess Diana. Do you think the Jesuits were behind
Phelps: Absolutely, because the Jesuits control the British Secret Service.
Martin: Let’s talk about Princess Diana. Why was she a threat to the Jesuits?
Phelps: She was a threat in that if she had married a Moslem, Dodi Fayed, that
would have overturned the Throne of England, because she still had rights
through her children. Because her sons would one day occupy the British throne,
and if she is alive with a Moslem Prince as a husband, we have a problem in
England. Because everybody knows that the Queen Mother, really, has a lot of
control over the King. And there would have been an Islamic, Arab influence on
the Queen, who would influence her son, who would be King, who is now Prince.
Martin: So you think that the powers that be, within the Jesuit Order, knew that
she was pregnant with Dodi’s child?
Phelps: I believe so; and that’s why they got rid of her—absolutely. And
they sent a message to all the other British nobility by saying: “If you do
this, we’re going to do the same thing to you.” Furthermore, they buried her
in the cemetery, on the Windsor property, where only dogs are buried. She’s
buried with dogs.
Martin: What kind of symbolism is that?
Phelps: Because she was a “Moslem dog” in their eyes.
Martin: In the recent June, 2001 issue of The SPECTRUM, we shared an article
from Sherman Skolnick in which he not only mentions the Jesuits, but he talks
about the incredible financial influence, and power, and control in California
and elsewhere by the Japanese Mafia, called the Yakuza. Is there any
relationship between the Yakuza and the Jesuits?
Phelps: Absolutely. The Jesuits control the Yakuza. To understand this, we have
to go back in the history of Japan. Japan had, wonderfully and righteously,
expelled the Jesuits from their Empire around 1619, give or take a few years.
The Jesuits were forbidden to ever enter Japan!
The Japanese, then, kicked-out the Portuguese; they kicked-out the Spanish. The
only ones who could ever trade with Japan were the Dutch, the Protestant Dutch.
Well, when the Jesuits were beginning to get control of our country, they got
control of Polk. And Polk was responsible for the sending of Commodore Perry to
Martin: What year?
Phelps: 1853-1854. He then opens up Japan to international trade. So now
“foreigners” can enter into Japan. Foreigners then began an agitation and a
revolution in Japan. The reigning Emperor of Japan, who was a young man about
35, wanted to get rid of the Jesuits and these foreign powers, so he was
According to Ryu Ohta, my friend in Japan, the Japanese had been taught that he
was killed by Sassoon House—the Jews. But the Emperor was really killed by the
Jesuits, because the son of this Emperor later went on to rule Japan from 1873
to 1912, and this Emperor was the grandfather to Hirohito.
This Emperor was a young boy at the time he came to power. He ruled for all
those years. The Jesuits during that time dis-established the Buddhists as a
state religion, and made tremendous inroads in power in Japan, controlling the
Dynasty, because they were going to use Japan to foment a war with the United
States for the purpose of eliminating as much Buddhism as they could from the
Far East, and weakening the American Protestants, and many other purposes, such
as killing off Protestant missionaries in the Far East—whereas the Japanese
Army never persecuted the Catholic missionaries. And this is according to the
Jesuits’ own magazine America, written and published in 1943 or 1944.
This is where the Jesuits got their power over the Emperor, and thus the Yakuza.
So now, the Jesuits have that power, they maintain that power. They maintained
power over Hirohito. And thus, they have power over the Yakuza today, in Japan
Martin: There was a book written many years ago called Tai Pan. Now, would a Tai
Pan, symbolically, be the equivalent of the Black Pope?
Phelps: Sure. It’s a Secret Society. It’s a Japanese Secret Society that
Martin: Theoretically they would rule independently.
Phelps: They rule together with the Monarch.
Martin: Which would be the real Black Pope?
Phelps: The Black Pope. Remember, the Black Pope is in control of the Monarch of
Martin: We need to explain to our readers that the Jesuit Order is NOT a
religious order, it is a MILITARY ORDER.
Phelps: It is a military order. When they dawn religious garb to get into a
country to talk about Christ and God and so forth, they really want to capture
the power and wealth of every country, to submit every country to the temporal,
Earthly, political power of the Pope.
Martin: I don’t want to get too far off-subject here, but would you say “As
with the Jews, so with the Yakuza”?
Phelps: Correct. As with the Masonic Jewish Zionists, so with the Masonic
Yakuza. They’re all Masonic. Masonry unites all religions into one.
Martin: And behind the scenes the Jesuits are pulling the strings?
Phelps: Pulling the strings because they wrote all of the Masonic rites.
Martin: For our Masonic scholars out there, on what do you base that?
Phelps: We know that, according to several citations I reference in the book
VATICAN ASSASSINS, the Jesuits wrote the first 25 degrees of the Scottish Rite
Freemasonry, from the College of Clermont, which was changed to the College of
Louis LeGrand, in Paris, France.
Martin: What year?
Phelps: 1754. That is a fact. The Jesuits wrote those rites.
Martin: Do you have any names behind that?
Phelps: Oh, I believe Chevalier Ramsey was, Chevalier de Bonneville was one.
Remember the Bonneville automobile, and Pontiac? Those were Jesuits. And we have
Adam Weishaupt, who was a Jesuit, who was a Mason. And it was the Rothschild
Luciferians. So we have many dovetails of the Jesuits being Freemasons.
And we know, according to our hero Alberto Rivera, that Pedro Arrupe was a
Mason, and Pedro Arrupe was a Jesuit General. Pedro Arrupe was a Mason AND in
the Communist Party of Spain when he was a Jesuit General.
So, we also know that the Jesuits were involved in the writing of the last 8
degrees of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, with Fredrick the Great in Prussia, while
Fredrick protected the Jesuits and gave them the ability to live in his country,
while they were being suppressed by the Pope.
Martin: Let’s circle back around to the Yakuza. According to Skolnick, the
Yakuza own many, many businesses in this country, many, many banks are owned and
controlled in California and elsewhere by the Yakuza. Now, are you saying
that’s just a front?
Phelps: They’re just a front, like any other Mafia, like the Italian Mafia,
which is the foremost Mafia in organized crime.
Martin: Which J. Edgar Hoover said “Didn’t exist.”!
Phelps: Which he said didn’t exist. It’s all baloney. It is just a front.
They hold the property, they hold the money for the Vatican.
Martin: So the Yakuza would be the 3rd trusted party that we talked about?
Phelps: That’s right, they’re the 3rd trusted party. And I tend to also
believe that there is some kind of hand involved in the murder of Bruce Lee with
this. Bruce Lee was not going along with the Catholic Church.
Martin: And he was giving away secrets.
Phelps: He was giving away martial arts secrets, and so on, and he was not going
along with the Vatican. Remember, he had a rift with Hollywood, and most of his
films were made in Hong Kong.
Martin: And his son was also killed not long ago.
Phelps: His son was then killed on a movie-making set also. So his son knew
something. And evidently, just like Jackie Kennedy, Linda Lee doesn’t open her
mouth. So there are two murders here that the Secret Societies are involved in.
Martin: You don’t talk too much about Bobby Kennedy. Has your research
uncovered any names behind Bobby Kennedy’s assassination?
Phelps: Well, we know that Officer Thane Eugene Cesar really pulled the trigger,
shot him in the back of the head with a twenty-two. And Officer Cesar was an
employee for Lockheed Corporation. The Jesuits, according to Avro Manhattan,
So, just as Lee Iacocca dispatches his security chief to drive the bullet-ridden
limousine of Kennedy from Washington to Cincinnati to get repaired, even so,
some Knight of Malta in charge of Lockheed Corporation, I don’t know who it
was, dispatches Officer Cesar to be a guard of Robert F. Kennedy—who then, in
turn, shoots and kills him. And Sirhan was a scapegoat, just like Oswald was a
Martin: What do you have to say about Earl Warren?
Phelps: Earl Warren was in the hands of the Jesuits when he was the governor of
California. Earl Warren was one of the sinister individuals behind that evil and
terrible Japanese concentration camp system. That was his brainchild. He was
behind the anti-Jap agitation in World War II.
The Japanese are decent, law-abiding, peaceful people, for the most part. They
had all their farms taken from them. They were in control of all of the produce,
and they had it all stolen from them by Roman Catholic, Knight of
Malta-controlled corporations—just as was done to the American Indian. They
went into their burial grounds and stole all their gold, and used their missions
to send it back to Rome.
So, Earl Warren was a part of this. He was a good boy, so they named him and put
him on the Supreme Court. He was the Chief Justice.
He was a 33rd-degree Freemason involved in the Kennedy assassination, forced
amalgamation, forced race-mixing with the Supreme Court decision in 1966, forced
integration with the Brown vs. The Board Of Education in 1954.
Martin: I’m going to ask you now a very important question, one that will be
on the minds of many people: Why should our readers not feel that you are merely
substituting the word JESUITS for JEWS in terms of fomenting hatred and
animosity toward Jesuit people? Why is that not so?
Phelps: Well, first of all, there’s a tremendous difference between the Jesuit
Order and the Jewish race.
We don’t know exactly who the Jewish race is. I sure don’t know. I think
only God knows who it is. But it’s a civilization of people who are engaged in
commerce and trade, and they have cultures, they have communities.
Jesuits are an army. They’re soldiers. They’re under oath. When you become
professed of the 4th Degree, they give you The Secret Instructions.
According to another gentleman, he says there’s a degree beyond the 4th
Degree, where it’s absolute Luciferianism. This is according to Jim Arrabito,
who died mysteriously in a plane crash in Alaska on September 2, 1990. Jim
Arrabito was one of the chief guys in the Seventh Day Adventists, and he was a
master of Jesuit history. You can get his videos, Secrets Of The Jesuits, from
But anyway, the difference between the Jews and the Jesuits is strictly—one is
a people, and one is an Order determined to subvert all nations to the
jurisdiction of the Pope.
And, in light of the documents that I provide with the book version of VATICAN
ASSASSINS—I have over 4,000 pages on CD-ROM, with four distinct different
histories showing the history of the Order—that’s exactly what they were
doing then, and that’s exactly what they’re doing now.
Martin: So what’s different about what you’re saying? Rather than just being
another wild conspiracy theory, it’s your position that you’ve really proven
that this is a fact, and not fantasy?
Phelps: Other men have proven the fact. I just reiterate what they’ve said.
If you read The Black Pope, by Cusack, she says the very same thing. She was a
nun, a converted nun to Christ in 1896.
Martin: And why is she so important?
Phelps: Because she was a nun intimately involved with priests, and especially
Jesuits, prior to her conversion to Christ. She would know; she was on the
Martin: Why is that book so important?
Phelps: Because it has been suppressed and stolen out of every library in the
world! There is only one in existence that I know of, that’s publicly
accessible, and that is in the British Museum.
It’s also accessible on the CD-ROM included with the book VATICAN ASSASSINS,
for those of your readers who would like it. But, other than that, it’s a
suppressed document. Griesinger, Thompson, Cusack, Nicolini—those are the four
major histories of the Jesuit Order, and all four are on the CD-ROM [along with
a number of other rare and otherwise “missing” research documents].
Martin: So you’re saying that the time-lines that you put forth, and the
conclusions that you draw, are really based on historical experts over the last
two centuries? This is not just your position?
Phelps: Absolutely. I’m standing on the shoulders of giants, as a little
cricket. These people are brilliant and Godly. Nicolini, an Italian Roman
Catholic, converted to Christ, involved in the Italian Revolution of 1848, had
to flee for his life, was in exile in England, and there he wrote his great
History Of The Jesuits, warning England that if the Jesuits sought to destroy
England under Elizabeth, they would surely do the same thing under Victoria.
Martin: And they have.
Phelps: And they have. We have the great Theodor Griesinger, who was the great
German who wrote The Jesuits as a history told by the German people—823 pages
of meticulous documentation of all their doings in all the countries. And he was
the one, I learned, who said the Jesuits could very well be planning a second
Thirty-Years War, another Thirty-Years War. And he wrote that, the second
edition was in 1873.
[Editor’s note: And remember that the second bloody and diabolical
“Thirty-Years War” did indeed happen, between 1914 and 1945, as Eric
mentioned earlier in this interview in conjunction with financing it through the
setting up of the Federal Reserve Bank fraud.]
So, these learned people have made quite clear and quite evident the purpose and
power of the Jesuit Order.
We haven’t had anybody in the 20th Century write an extensive history of what
they’ve accomplished from 1900-2000. I would hope that somebody who knows
these histories, who knows grammar and spelling and is able to write nice prose
(unlike myself) would be able to do this, and write a real modern history of
this. Ridpath came close to it, but he ended his work in the mid-1850s, with his
Ridpath’s Universal History [Of The World]. We have not had a significant
historian do this modern work for us.
Martin: And why is that?
Phelps: Because these Jesuits have all these colleges and universities bought
and paid for! And these universities won’t get grants if they start to expose
the Jesuit Order.
Now, with all these “hate crime” laws, anything truthfully said about the
Jesuit Order will generate attempts to contort it into some kind of a hate
crime, which is NOT what we’re doing. We are merely telling the truth.
Martin: What is your solution to the Jesuit problem in America? What would you
like to see, ultimately, happen in this country?
Phelps: In this country, what I would like to see happen is exactly what
happened in England in the 16th Century, when several Jesuits left the Order.
They were intelligent, powerful Jesuits, involved in the conspiracy to overthrow
They told the powers-that-be about what they were supposed to do, and as a
result, the government of England expelled the Jesuits from their dominions,
because they were regarded as traitors and conspirators in the overthrow of
legitimate government—of self-rule, of nationalism; a country should be ruled
by its own people.
The solution here would be the expulsion of the Jesuit Order, that they would be
outlawed and banned.
There would be period of grace where certain Jesuits could come forward, tell
what they know. But why would the Jesuits want to do that when this government
is controlled by the Council on Foreign Relations, which is controlled by the
Jesuits? The government is controlled by the Jesuits through the mob and
Martin: Proposing the expulsion of the Jesuits, the difference between that and
racial persecution, such as with the Jews, yours is based on treason, which is a
lawful conclusion based on your research concerning what their true aims and
objectives are—namely, the overthrow of this government.
Phelps: The usurping of this government, the controlling of this government for
their own purposes. And then using this government, with a coalition of other
governments they control, for the annihilation of the “heretic” and
“liberal” population of this country, pursuant to the Council of Trent, that
every Pope swears upon his coronation to uphold.
Martin: Thank you so much for taking this time to clarify these many points
about the Jesuit Order. Our readers will really appreciate this as you offer
much food for both thought AND action!
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