- Exclusive - WWII German
Flying Disk Schematic Drawing Found
- By Jeff Rense
- Special thanks to Lea H.
- for making this revelation
In 1947 Kenneth Arnold,
while flying in the Pacific Northwest, saw and later drew something the
world had never seen before. Remarkably, his rendering turned out to be
a near exact drawing of a German aircraft design war historians now know
as the Ho Parabel (Horten Parabola). See complete story of the
astonishing twin-jet, 600 mph OPERATIONAL HO-229 at: http://www.rense.com/ufo/hova.htm
Maximum Speed 600+ mph
Kenneth Arnold and
drawing of what he saw in 1947
- Incredible as this operational
Horten design was, it did NOT represent the pinnacle of German
advanced WWII flight technology.
- There were a number of brilliant
German scientists and engineers working on flying disc-shaped craft,
many of which used traditional rocket/jet propulsion
techniques...but some, apparently used methods far in advance of
anything commonly known at that time. Or now, for that matter
- Dr. Richard Miethe whose group
allegedly built saucer craft at Breslau, came to Canada after the
war and worked on saucer designs with the A.V. Roe Company on a
joint American-Canadian project which 'officially' produced only a
barely functional 'hovercraft' type 'saucer.' Most researchers today
consider the Roe 'saucer' nothing less than a diversion. What was
Miethe really working on?
- Another highly-advanced group was
led by Dr. Viktor Schauberger, who worked in Austria at the Kertl
factory in Vienna. Schauberger's incredible craft allegedly utilized
a tornado-like vortex which produced magnetic effects said to cause
levitation. Two Schauberger models, both made of copper, were said
to have been built with one of them successfully test flown. The
story goes that it flew so well, in fact, that it impacted the
inside roof of the hangar and was destroyed.
- The SS which was apparently
overseeing this and all German saucer research, allegedly stopped
further experimentation after accident, dismissed Schauberger, and
took all of his work and wizardry to some other location for further
development. After the war, Schauberger was lured to the US by an
alleged CIA front company and was then duped into signing a contract
in English (he knew only German) giving the company all rights and
title to his inventions, concepts, and designs. He was then returned
to Austria...and died five days later.
- As stated earlier, many of the
German saucer craft were predicated upon known, if quite exotic,
technology. Our source for the extraordinary drawing below has been
thoroughly interviewed over a lengthy period of time and is known to
be of impeccable integrity. We have seen some of the hundreds of
wartime documents from his long service with the Horten brothers,
including personal correspondence from them to him.
- When queried as to how he was able
to obtain the drawing of the disc craft below, he would only say,
"Sneaky...sneaky. No one was ever to know anything about
this...I had to get the drawing from a friend who was very close to
the project." He said he would never compromise his friend by
disclosing his identity.
- Our source described how he was
stationed at an airbase in Prague during the war while undergoing
advanced mechanical training and also doing some teaching. On a
number of occasions during his time at the base he heard, what he
believes, was the disc-shaped vehicle shown in the drawing below
being test flown. We say 'heard' because all those living on, or
even near, the test area of the base were utterly forbidden to look
out the windows...under penalty of being shot on the spot. In fact,
all the windows in homes facing the test area were blacked out. No
exceptions. He described the sound of the craft as absolutely
'deafening.' This would come as no surprise, given the 5
engines...three for lift and two for forward thrust...indicated in
the drawing below. This is a simple overview schematic of the craft
which does not, obviously, reflect the finished detail of the
pilot(s) controls, seating, and final interior configuration of the
- Our source said the engines were not
typical jet engines but were kerosene-fueled turbines of a type
which he was told were capable of producing very high speeds. The
drawing in his possession and shown here may be of the Schriever
disc which was said to have used rotating metallic vanes set within
the perimeter of the disc to achieve vertical lift similar to
produced a helicopter. Once airborne, the two thrust turbines took
over to push the craft on its way. Our source says he believes the
first test flight occurred in 1942.
- What happened to these craft after
the war? Our source says that both the Russians and Americans were
aware of the ultra-secret German disc research programs and had an
agreement they would not shoot the discs down or apparently bomb the
research facilities because the craft posed no hostile
threat...unlike the facilities at Peenemunde. The eventual outcome
of the war was a virtual certainty and both countries wanted the
disc technology as one of the prime spoils of war.
- As research continues probing the
advanced German WWII programs, it is becoming more evident that at
least some of the early - and current - UFO sightings may be
directly related to, and descendants of, disc craft like the one
depicted in this newly unearthed historic drawing.
- We asked for a statement on this
report from British disc researcher Tim Matthews. Our thanks to Tim
for the following response:
- By Tim Matthews
- "Recent developments involving
the emergence of some new evidence for the existence of an advanced
discplane designed by a joint Heinkel/BMW team of engineers headed
by Dr. Richard Miethe at a variety of facilities in Prague,
Czechoslovakia, from 1942/3 are most intriguing.
- There are several important points
to note in terms of the witness testimony...that he heard the
test-flights of a discplane whilst stationed at Prague from 1942.
- 1 - He does not claim to have
actually seen the aircraft.
- 2 - As a result we have to accept
that the information relating specifically to performance is
second-hand and unverifiable.
- 3 - There is no evidence in any text
relating to high-performance advanced German aircraft and missile
developments during World War Two that indicate the speeds claimed
for the 'Flugkreisel' or 'flying saucer'.
- Nevertheless, there were significant
developments in Prague some of which were focused upon the Kbely (Gbell)
airfield. The airfield is still in existence and nowadays a Czech
aviation museum and archive are located on the spot where early
German discs were tested. The chief archivist tells me that all the
information on German projects were taken in 1945.
- Some of the best evidence relating
to the existence of this discplane, said by some to be the 'Versuchs
7' and 'Versuchs 8' (V7/V8) models emerged in an article featured in
the German-language magazine "Flugzeug"
("Aircraft") dated 2/1989 (page 52) which details a
sighting by a witness in August/September 1943 at the Kbely
- The disc completed a very simple
take-off and landing exercise and the test was witnessed by several
people. The disc was said to be housed in a nearby hangar.
- It is important to note that the
Russians captured the facility on or about the 10th May 1945. It is
true that the allies did have a great deal of information about
advanced German technologies and this is covered in my book
"UFO Revelation". I am not sure that there was any
'agreement' between the Russians and Americans in terms of similar
technologies given our certain knowledge that the two competed for
the spoils of war in a very aggressive manner. The Nordhausen
example is perhaps the best....
- Of course many of the records have
been buried and are out of our reach - even after 54 years......
- There is little evidence of high
performance in any witness statement relating to the discplane
tests, excepting the information supplied by Flight Captain Rudolph
Schriever in several German newspapers in 1950.
- The picture supplied by the witness,
who now lives in the USA, is exactly the same as that featured in
the original version of the Schriever story made available in an
International News Service release dated 11th April, 1950, which I
have in my possession. (The story was originally featured in "Der
Spiegel", dated 30th March 1950, in an article entitled "Untertassen-Flieger
Kombination".) The picture is also shown in the Hatcher
Childress/Renate Vesco "Man-Made UFOs 1944-1994"
(Adventures Unlimited Press) in the illustrated section between
pages 241 and 243.
- I suspect that talk of supersonic
speeds for flying discs were an indication of those thought to be
achievable by scientists after detailed research and development. I
have no doubt that German discplanes flew and that they showed great
potential but we can rule out high Mach flight or anything
approaching it. Even the better postwar discplane sightings tended
to indicate speeds of between 300-600 mph. The German most closely
associated postwar discplane development for the US Air Force (US
Navy programmes developed earlier from the Chance-Vought XF5U-1 and
related to jet-powered 'pancake' designs) was Dr. Richard Miethe who
worked closely with John C Frost and H Moody for AV Roe in Canada.
Miethe was the brains behind efforts to build the ultimate VTOL
discplane based upon German work on the 'radial flow engine' noted
in the previously "Top Secret" 'Project Silver Bug' or
'Project Y' papers (dated 1955) that led to the emergence of several
variants including a disc interceptor (see WS 606A/B) that was
perhaps a forerunner to the more reliable YF-12.
- Information on Miethe is scare
although is work for the USAF has been acknowledged by former
Secretary to the USAF Dr. Alexander Flax. Several FOIA appeals for
information on Miethe have gone to appeal and have been
unsuccessful. There is an ongoing attempt to bury the truth about
the German input into US discplane Research and Development and this
might in part relate to WW2 war crimes involving slave labourers who
'worked' for BMW. Information on 'Operation Paperclip' is also scare
and it is to be hoped that this new witness might be able to shed
new light on this and similar activities.....
- The witness notes the use of
kerosene in a multi-engine VTOL disc. In fact most jets use kerosene
anyway although it might be the case that the witness is talking
about an early 'radial flow' engine. This seems to be suggested by
his testimony relating to a hybrid helicopter/plane. (Curiously the
jet-powered XF5U-1 was said to have similar novel qualities.)
- Nevertheless, the suggestion that a
five-engine prototype disc could have overcome the serious problems
of parasitic drag and flown at high speed is not a realistic one.
Even if some sort of Schauberger system of 'levitation' is invoked
then there are serious problems.
- (On a separate note work into
similar systems HAS taken place at the University of Houston and was
conducted by the late Dr. Mikhael Goldshtik. His 'vortex thruster'
system is said to be a development along similar lines - some 50
years after Schauberger! Therefore the early German work seems to
have been based upon some real science and might be said to have
- In terms of the actual Schriever
discplane diagram supplied there is no way that a pilot could have
flown the aircraft at high speed in a standing position although it
is understood that the 1950 picture was an artists impression. I
would expect that in an aircraft attempting to overcome speeds
approaching the supersonic regime (or as we are told; the high Mach
regime!) the only solution, and one favoured by several of the
better German aerodynamicists and designers would be to put the
pilot in a prone position. This was also suggested specifically for
the flight involving high 'g' turns expected from the more advanced
AVRO discplanes and various other advanced aircraft of the
mid-1950s. (Prone position had also been tested in the Lockheed
F-80E and a variant of the B-17 bomber. This work was undertaken by
a 'Paperclip' scientist Dr. Hans Amtmann at Wright Field)
- In terms of Vertical take-off and
landing, which requires great control at low speed, the only way for
a pilot in this position, or in a seated position, would be to see
through an inset window in the floor of the aircraft.
- The large bubble cockpit shown in
the picture would be a killer in terms of high speed flight and a
blended design would be expected. We cast our minds back to the
sleek early postwar supersonic jets and earlier German
- One thing is for sure; the
information that the witness has about the Horten brothers aircraft
is of the greatest potential significance and certainly his claim to
have a Horten (design) glider stored away is one that will lead to
great interest from all modern-day advocates of the flying wing and
those interested in historical aircraft research.
- In 1942 the Hortens' had still not
received much government funding although many of their gliders were
being flown. It wasn't until 1944 that new life was breathed into
the company after Goering saw the possibilities of developing the
aircraft as a long range bomber. I am not aware of any specialist
training relating to the test-flights of the Horten aircraft from
1944. The aircraft were actually flown by Heinz Scheidhauer, Erwin
Ziller and Walter Horten himself. Knemeyer was the chief
Reichsluftfahrtsministirium (RLM) test pilot. Testing took place in
Oranienburg and Gottingen. (Josef Stuper undertook early flight
tests with the HVc in 1943). Work on the Horten wings took place at
those facilities and at Brandis and Friedrichsrode (where the
Americans got hold of them).
- There is no information on flight
testing or training re; the Horten wing in Czechoslovakia.
- In order to fully convince the world
the witness must be allowed to provide as much corroborative
evidence as he can to investigators so that it may be fully checked.
One thing is for sure; as times goes by, and though our efforts, the
truth about man-made UFOs is slowly starting to emerge......"
- Tim Matthews, 12th Feb. 1999
- Anyone with further data on German
discs is urged to contact either Jeff Rense or Tim Matthews. All
responses will be held in the strictest confidence.
- Note - We have been advised by Bill
Few that the same Schriever schematic is in the book UFO Crash At
Aztec by Bill Steinman, 1987, pg. 510. "Schriever says the
blueprints were stolen for the machine he calls a 'flying top'
before Germany's collaspe and says the machine would be capable of
2600 mph and a radius of 4000 miles. The article states he would be
willing to build one for the U.S. the time required being 6-9